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medic
E odlicnih slika Sunce, gdje ovo nadje?Super.
Bas ovdje ima nesto o cemu sam htjeo pisati, al polako.
Ovo na prvoj slici, ovo sa kupolom je ta magaza Pasica, o kojoj sam gore pisao.Kazu, zgrada sa prvim liftom u Tuzli.Valjda je to ta zgrada.
A ova treca slika je fenomenalna. Jos samo da skontam gdje su ove kuce. Obratite paznju na natpis "Hermann Domany".
Trgovac tkaninama, tuzlanski Jevrej.
Malo sam ja po internetu istrazivao o ovim nasim nekadasnjim sugradjanima (uslovno receno nasim, jer su u genocidu nestali mnogo prije mog rodjenja).
Helem, ime tog Hermana se nalazi na Banji, na spomeniku zrtvama fasizma (one dvije crne ploce na partizanskom groblju).
Sa druge strane, citajuci knjigu "Tuzla u radnickom pokretu i revoluciji", neko rece da je isti otisao u Palestinu prije 2.sv.rata.
Medjutim, nijedno od toga nije tacno.
Uskoro cu ovdje predstaviti pravu pricu.

medic
Pa ovo je Kapija, samo me ova zgrada desno malo prca. Ova gdje je sada "Samoizbor", zapravo vise nije ni samoizbor, vec je i to privatizirano i sada su tu dvije radnjice. A izgleda da to i nisu iste zgrade, nego je na mjestu ove stare napravljena zgrada "Samoizbora". Da vas ne gnjavim, ovo je odlicna slika.
Sunce, gdje je nadje?
Sa`cu ja.

medic
May 25, 1987
Domany David
24 Shalom Aleichem
63343 Tel – Aviv
Tel: 282869
Tel – Aviv April 3, 1987
To: Yad Vashem, Jerusalem

Regarding: Rescue of almost one hundred Jews by Mr Ratimir Deletis from being sent to the extermination camp Jasenovac

My Name: Domany (Desider) David
Age: 77 years old, born in Tuzla, 1910
Address: Tel – Aviv, 24 Shalom Aleichem St
Occupation: Retired

During the war I lived in Varazdin, Tuzla and Split, all of which were in Yugoslavia (NOTE FROM TRANSLATOR: present day Croatia). Shortly before the
German invasion in 1941, I sent my family (my wife and a four-year-old son) to my parents in Tuzla, where I later joined them. We chose Tuzla because I had good friends there and the general atmosphere in the city was particularly tolerant. We stayed in Tuzla until February 1942, more or less free, but we could not leave the city. From time to time we were forced to do some work.

I am a friend of Ratimir Deletis from primary school. He is now residing in E. Milosa 31, 51470 Umag, Yugoslavia (NOTE FROM TRANSLATOR: present day Croatia). Our friendship was not interrupted during all these years. While I went to Brno, CSR to study textile business, Rato finished law school in Zagreb and began working in the district court in Tuzla where he served as a judge and district attorney. My frequent visits to my parents in Tuzla gave us an opportunity to renew our friendship. During the occupation and the regime of the fascist Ustashe I had ample opportunity to see how Rato helped Serbs and Partizans.

He helped the Jews of Tuzla on two occasions. The first time, about 30-40 Jews and a couple of Serbs were held captive because the Partizans attacked the railroad trains in the area. As a district attorney and a good speaker Rato accomplished to release the captives.

The second intervention was much more difficult for him and very dangerous. At the end of 1941 somebody announced to Zagreb that there were still free Jews in Tuzla who were allowed to go about their business, while the other cities under German control were “Judenrein” (free of Jews). Following that, an order was released to round up all the Jews in a deportation camp. After a short council, Rato decided to go to Zagreb (together with another citizen who later perished in the war) and try to speak to the person responsible for the Jews in the camp in order to have the above mentioned orders revoked. This person was the infamous Kvaternik (Himmler of Croatia) before whom even the powerful were afraid. With certain connections Rato had in Zagreb, he accomplished to be received by Kvaternik. The moment Kvaternik realized their objective, he wanted to have them executed right away. It is only because of Rato’s persuasion that they got out unharmed. After a long negotiation Kvaternik agreed to put together a list of 16 families who would be released from anti-Jewish laws. Also, the local authorities used a generous interpretation of who belonged to those families. Therefore almost 100 people were freed.

One of Kvaternik’s preconditions was that these 16 families convert to Catholicism or Islam so that no more Jews would exist. This was done in a pro-formal manner. After they received the list, the local authorities issued identification cards with which one could travel. Most of the released people took that opportunity to get to the Italian occupied zone. The worst thing happening there was an internment in an Italian camp.

I managed to get to Split with my wife and son which was under Italian occupation and we stayed there from May 1942 until the capitulation of Italy. After that we fled to Bari, and from there on June 1, 1944 to Palestine.

Ratimir Deletis in now retired and lives with limited means for survival. I have to emphasize that he never asked for any material reward for his big help and sacrifice. What he did, he did for friendship and humanity. His now deceased wife, Katja was standing by his side, so thanks are also to her.

Many of the saved came to Israel, some of them returned to Yugoslavia, some emigrated to other countries. Others, however, for various reasons, did not cease the opportunity to leave and were deported later.

On the next page are names and addresses of people who I know who were in the
group which was saved.

DOMANY DAVID, 24 SHALOM ALEICHEM, TEL – AVIV, TEL: 2822869
DOMANY HERMINA, 24 SHALOM ALEICHEM, TEL – AVIV, TEL: 2822869
DOMANI RUBEN, KIBUZ NIRIM, 057-85579
WIESLER LINA, 14 MENDELE STR, TEL: 289308, TEL – AVIV
WIESLER RUBEN, 43-a CHOVEVEI ZION, TEL – AVIV, 29449…
SEGAL DINA (WIESLER), 24 RM. NACHCHOH, RAMAT HASHARON, TEL 492338
HIRSCHBEIN EDI, JERUSALEM, EIN KEREM DER ROMAIM, 411368
KLEIMAN ELSA, JERUSALEM, TAHON 34, TEL 417419
ALTARAC HANA, JERUSALEM, MEKOR HAIM 2
SABAN-DANON HANA, TEL AVIV SHLOMO HAMELECH 88, TEL: 264659
Thank you for your interest in this case.
Sincerely

D. Domany (signed)

Posto je ovaj David D. studirao, kako on to napisa, textil bussines, a onaj Herman D. je imao veliku trgovinu tekstila na Kapiji, ispade da su oni neka rodbina.
Zapravo, u ovom spisku se ne spominje taj herman, tako da je moguce i da je zbrisao ranije, a i da je odveden u logor.
Helem, moracu ja to jos ispitati, kad bude bilo vremena.
A citav ovaj tekst sam nasao, ako me sjecanje dobro sluzi, na stranici sina tog nekog Ratimira Deletisa, koji je za vijeme tog raat bio sudija u tuzlanskom sudu, i koji je, nesto poput slucaja efendije Kurta, rizikovao svoj zivot radi pomoci svojim svojim sugradjanima.Pravo tuzlanski, sta drugo reci.A ko kaze drugacije, moze da mi pusi.izvinjavam se, neke mi price oadose na pamet.
Znaci, taj Deletis je u Ceskoj studirao sa ovim Domanyem, pa onda ono ko jaran jaranu...
Mene pravo mnogo interesuje prica o tuzlanskim Jevrejima, pa ako ima neko nesto, bio bih zahvalan da se stavi ovdje.
Jos jednom, hvala Sunce za fotografiju.
Sunce
Medic, prije par mjeseci sam nesto trazila i slucajno pronadjem i neke stare fotografije Tuzle, ne znam ni ko je autor ni datum kada su napravljene .Snimila sam neke od tih i sada cu jos koju postirati .Ako se sjetim gdje sam pronasla, javit cu ti .I mene zanimaju price kao ta tvoja o Hermanu .

Ove gore fotografije su sve imale naziv Kapija .
Na prvoj, covjek bas sjedi na stolici gdje su na Rafinoj fotografiji crvene gajbe .
Ja nisam sigurna ali cini mi se da se zgrada "Samoizbora" nije rusila samo renovirala .

Sunce
Mozda sam ovu fotografiju (bedemi grada)trebala prvu staviti .


Korzo, nekada, bas mi je zao sto ne znam datum snimka .


Susterova palata .



Cesma, da li neko zna zasto su srusili staru cesmu ?



medic
Interesantno, ovaj hotel "Maks" se ne spominje u tuzlanskom vremeplovu.
A za ovu kulu unutar bedema, Dragisa T. kaze da je usljed udara groma eksplodirala 1850-tih, a da je sat sa nje odletio kilometrima daleko.Navodno, taj sat se danas cuva u zbirci onog samostana ili manastira Kraljeva Sutjeska, kod Varesa ili ti stare bosanske prijestolnice Bobovca.
Jel imas sliku Templ-a?

medic
Jes, jes, onaj na stolici ceka da ko otvori tu kafic, pa da moze ko cojk kahvu popit rahat. E da je pozivio jos kojih sedamdesetak godina, ko zna...
Kad bi mi jos neko od ovih stariji mogo rec` (al mora bit, sto jes, jes, mnogo stariji), sta je bilo u ovoj radnji ovog Hermana nakon 2.sv.rata, tj. na mjestu gdje je danasnji spomen na Kapiji.

medic
Haj da vidimo, jel znate gdje bila ova utvrda?
Nakon njenog rusenja kamen je iskoristen za prvu regulaciju korita Jale.

Sunce
Behram-begova medresa je bila najstariji obrazovni objekat u sjeveroistocnoj Bosni .
Pocela je s radom 1626. a prekida 1949.
Zgrada Medrese srusena je 1974.
Od cijelog objekta ostala je samo porta (kapija) koja je restaurirana prvi put 1975. a potom i 1990. i 1997.

Da li prepoznajete kapiju zgrade ?
Ako nekoga zanima vise o ovome, ja cu postirati cijeli tekst koji imam .




meri
Upravu si Medic sto se tice magaze Pasic, prvi je imao lift a i cetiri zene, sta ces covjek bio bogat pa znas kako kazu ..mozes imat zena koliko mozes izdrzavat'.....Pasici su mi inace rod a moj otac rahmetli je radio u toj magazi kao mali djecak.

Visa
Trebali su restaurirat (ponovo sagradit) citavu zgradu ( 88. il kad je renovirano zadnji put, ne sjecam se tacno?), mada je i ulaz simpa.
Zar prije 1626 u Tz nije bilo skola??

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